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COMMODITY EXPERT IN THE SPOTLIGHT: BILL GARY
-Interview
by Courtney Smith
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You
trade for your account, right? Our previous article said that
you had retired from the brokerage business.
I
didn't do too well so I'm back in the brokerage business. I'm
just like everyone else.
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Installment
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Bill Gary
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What
kind of hardware and software do you use?
I
use CQG for my charting and quotes. I have a DTN
and I use it for data and weather. DTN is the best value in
commodity hardware. It's so cheap and yet it has so much information.
I use Knight Ridder Financial news wire. We have a complete
database of futures prices going back to the 1960's. I have
a guy who designs systems for us. He comes up with similar patterns
from the past. For example, what happens every time July Beans
make a new contract high in July and take out the spring low.
I want a fast quick way of getting that data. We've designed
a lot of systems like that on our computer.
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Markets
move hard and fast this time of year.
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How
does weather fit into this? You've got your models and conditioned
seasonals then it goes and rains. What do you do? How do you
factor that into your trading?
That
comes back to trading experience. You know that during the
summer period you are going to be in weather markets. The
change in the weather forecast can completely change the character
of the market temporarily, not permanently. We've got to recognize
that our risk exposure is much greater during summer months
than it is during fall and winter months. Then you take on
more demand characteristic rather than the supply characteristics
of the summer months. I've learned over many years and having
gone through many disheartening experiences during this time
of year. Markets move hard and fast this time of year.
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How
do you pyramid your position again? Can you give more details?
We
already have our base position in the Beans. We had a technical
breakout today so we had our first add. Now we are sitting
here with our first add and we have a short term technical
objective. If we approach those objectives in the next couple
of days, we will begin to reduce that pyramid. We will keep
the money aside to buy the next setback. We may have a base
of four contracts and added two on today's breakout and we
may take a profit on one near the objective and hold the extra
one, hoping for a break after the crop report. If we get the
break after the crop report we will pick up that extra contract
on a test of today's breakout. If the market goes below today's
breakout then we get out of all pyramids and go right back
to our base position. If it comes down and tests the breakout
level, we'll pick up that one contract that we let go of and
we may pick up another one, depending on the circumstances.
When the market breaks out again, we will add again.Over a
period of time, say several months, we'll build from a four
contract position to having maybe 20-25 contracts. That's
when it starts to get difficult because that's when the dollars
start to mean more. A 10 cent move is a lot more dollars.
Let's look at another example. Let's say we get to September
and we get some minor freeze damage. We'll go back to previous
years with minor freeze damage and see what happened in those
years. That gives us an idea on how we should pyramid. Perhaps
the market has a temporary two to three day rally then breaks.
We might lighten up on that rally. When the break comes, we
may double our position; half on the break and half on the
breakout back up. It's a very fluid type thing. I like to
read books that say do this here and that there. They are
very specific. Unfortunately, the marketplace is not that
specific. The market is very fluid. You've got to be able
to move with the marketplace. Be ready to take a loss as well
as a profit depending on the circumstances. You're going to
have surprises. Hopefully, some of those surprises are going
to be in your favor. Hopefully, the stocks report is going
to be more bullish than you thought it would be. But it doesn't
work that way and a lot of times we will build up a big position
and we are coming into a stocks report and the market is going
up into that stocks report, then we will start to lighten
up our positions to reduce our risk because the market is
already discounting what we expect. Then, when the stocks
report comes out, maybe its more bullish than we thought.
Then we've got to get our position back. Let's say we reduced
our position by a third or something. We've got to get it
back so we go and look for some situation that history tells
us what the price action will be doing so we can plan our
strategy. I'll never make as much money during the crop scare
period as I will during the realization period because I can't
build up a large enough position.
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Markets
are really funny things. You find out what you are really
made of.
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Who
is doing good fundamental analysis in your opinion?
Bill
Longstreet, Roy Longstreet's son, does good work. There's
not many people who do our kind of work. The grain companies
do but we can't see it. Sparks in Memphis is probably the
biggest public research firm in the country today. Anybody
can go to Sparks and get all kinds of research. It's good
quality fundamental research. They have some good people.
Some of the wirehouses have good people. The oilseeds analyst
with Prudential, Anne Fricke, is very good. Anne has been
in the business for a long time. She's very good and diligent
about running studies about what's going on right now. I think
she's excellent. There are several good people around like
that but you have to find them.
What
would your final recommendation be to traders to improve their
profitability?
Look
at a longer term perspective. Everybody has such a short term
perspective because everybody's technically oriented. Look
more for the longer term aspect. If you can get a fundamental
basis, like "Beans will go to $10 sometime in the next six
months", then go back and do some work. How has it happened
before? What should I look for? Even if you are a technical
person, go back and look at the technical signs. If the market
went up in anticipation, what technical signs would have given
me the clues then? And what happens in a realizing move that
takes a long time? Then be aware of those and be looking for
those this year as a tool on how you are going to play this
out. It takes a lot of courage sometimes. Looking at things
from a longer term perspective helps a lot. You don't have
to be in a hurry to make money. Some people feel they have
to be in the market today. "If the Beans are going up I have
to get in before they go up." Be more deliberate. Take more
time. Use your tools. The market is not going to do it all
in the next two weeks. It's going to give you buying opportunities.
Do you have more time than money? The market will accommodate
you so don't be in a hurry. Always keep money in reserve.
You're going to need it for unexpected events that are going
to hit you. There are going to also be times that you know;
that everything is coming into place and everybody is against
your position, and you will need the money to take a little
larger position than you would normally take. The key is to
not be greedy. Once you've had the move that you expected
during that period of time, get out. Put the money back in
reserve. Trading is one of the hardest things to do. We can
do all this fundamental and technical work and still screw
it up because we're too greedy or we panic or we listen to
too many other people rather than ourselves. Markets are really
funny things. You find out what you are really made of. Markets
test your courage and your ability to handle yourself in a
way that is disciplined and methodical and lets you also run
with your beliefs. Being able to determine those times and
being able to recognize your emotions is extremely important.
We all have these basic emotions that we have to fight. We
have to take a loss yet we don't want to admit defeat. You've
got to be as objective as you can be and honest to yourself.
Not to anyone else; but to yourself. You need the ability
to control yourself as well as the marketplace.
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This
is always easier said than done. Are there any techniques
for improving discipline and objectivity?
One,
is when you get a bullish report as you anticipated, you know
you have to reduce your position immediately if the market
doesn't perform well. It doesn't matter if you use a stop
or whatever, but you have to reduce your position. You can
always buy it back. That's just a cardinal rule. If something
happens that you have been expecting for a long time and you
have a big position and the market doesn't perform, you don't
buy more, you reduce your position to protect yourself. You
have to switch to defensive mode from offensive mode until
the market straightens out. It's a difficult thing to describe.
Everybody has their own approaches and how they think about
markets. Markets can do things you never thought they could
do. Cut back your position to perhaps your core position.
Maintain your bullishness until the market justifies it. Then,
when the market turns around back up and your technicals have
turned back up, you're in Fat City.
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Th-th-that's
all folks
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